Saab - 9-5 :: 2005 - Shuts Off While Idling At Red Sign
Dec 5, 2012
2005 Saab 9-5 ARC 2.3T67,000 Miles
Noticed a problem 2 weeks ago with my little Swedish meatball while at a red light on the way home. While idling, the car just shut off. I'm assuming it was a stall, but the car did not sputter and it was idling at around 900-1k RPMs but then just cut out. I put the car in park, and it started right up without issue and I drove the rest of the way home with it running fine. A couple days later, the same exact thing happened.
I took it in to my local Saab shop for a radiator hose replacement and an oil change. I told him about the stall/cut out problem, so he hooked up the Tech II but could not find any trouble codes. So he did a software update to the computer and told me to monitor it and call him if it happens again.
After getting my car back, it ran fine for a few days. I tried to get it to stall again by just letting it run in idle for 10-15 minutes but it wouldn't cut out. One night, I went to the gym for about an hour and came out and my car started right up and I drove about 5 minutes and came to a light. Car cut out again. However this time, it did not start up again. The engine would crank, the computer would go through the checks and give me the Check OK but it just wouldn't turn over. I tried to start it 5 or 6 times but no luck. I got out and pushed it to the side of the road. After about 2 minutes for sitting there, I tried it again and it turned over. Started right up like nothing ever happened.
The car drove again fine for a few days and then yesterday it cut out again. Same thing. Car would crank but not turn over. I let it sit there for 2 minutes (as traffic was going around me at a red light ) and then tried it again. The engine turned over but it did not start up fine. It definitely stuttered as it was trying to start and I had to give it some gas to get it running smoothly.
Couple of observations: This has only happened while idling (in Park or Drive)This has only happened when the car was warm. I've never had an issue starting in the morning or before the car warms upThis appears to only occur when it has been warm outside. (We've had a few days in the 60s here in PA)The Check Engine Light has never come on. So no trouble codes have ever been logged.
I've been searching the forums and most people seem to recommend replacing the Crank Position Sensor (my mechanic wants to do this as well). However from what I understand, if it was the CPS the car wouldn't stutter like it did when starting after a stall and wouldn't the CPS cut off the engine while driving as well?
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And three codes for glow plug solenoid open on 5, 6, and 7.
No ipr codes
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