Saturn :: 1999 - Code P1404 Shortly After The Idle Went Unstable


Jul 29, 2011

I received code P1404 on my 1999 Saturn shortly after the idle went unstable. The car ran great for a couple of weeks, then the idle went unstable again. The idle would go up and down for a couple of miles, then stabilized, but I got code P1404 again. The EGR I installed is new. What else would trigger P1404?

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