Phaeton :: Engine Turns, But No Fire


May 16, 2013

No indication if related problems other than a cam position sensor CEL a few months ago. I've run VAGCOM a few times with no engine or electrical issues. I simply turn the key, engine turns, but no fire. Turn ignition off, try again and it fires.

2004 4.2l ... 148000 miles ...

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