Golf VI R :: Drivetrain Slack When Downshifting From 5th To 4th
Jan 17, 2014
Just noticed when driving home tonight that it feels as though there is some kind of slack in the drivetrain when shifting from 5th to 4th under load. I thought it might be the driveshaft is loose but it doesn't seem to happen from 3rd to 2nd or 4th to 3rd.I have always felt like the trans on the car felt weird (hard to change form 1st to 2nd under full load) but this is different...
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I have been reluctant to post another clunking thread because it's nearly impossible to accurately describe what is happening. But I have reached by breaking point and I wanted a few opinions before I take it into the dealer. I am still under powertrain warranty, but I want to be confident I am not wasting mine and the dealers time if I am just missing something easy. I also know dealers don't always take clunks seriously so I want to pinpoint it first.
Symptoms : Car has 50k miles. I am the original owner.
From a stop, when getting the car rolling moderately aggressively there is a clunk/pop noise from the car. I can slightly feel it in the pedals and it is fairly loud. Almost like a distant hammer and nail pounding. It's a single clunk, with sometimes a double "pop pop". It's noticeable even with the radio turned up a little. If you are smooth on the throttle it doesn't make the noise. It seems random, like something is hitting something which only happens under certain weight shifts.
It sounds like it's from the rear and the front. It seems to switch. But honestly I am not confident either way. Where it is. It is silent on turns, bumps, speed bumps, driveway, etc. I don't think it's the suspension. It is not a clicking/tapping, only a single clunk or knock.
It also happens in 1st/2nd in stop and go traffic. If you leave it in 1st and the traffic is moving from say 8-15mph where you don't need to use the clutch it will clunk during on/off throttle. Anything above ~30mph I haven't been able to replicate the noise with on/off throttle.
It also does it if I downshift when coming to a stop and don't rev match. Say you are slowing down and you go from 4th, 3rd, then 2nd, let the clutch out and it rev matches up to ~3,000rpm which causes the weight to shift forward....clunk! It is not easy to replicate which is another reason I am slow to bring it to the dealer until I pinpoint it.
Things I have tried:
- Subframe bolt torque check. Installed ECS spacer/bolt kit anyway.
- Sway bar links are tight, or at least they didn't budge at all.
- Adjusted the rear hatch a million different ways as it was making a similar noise earlier.
- Spare tire tightened, tools removed
- Rear seats up/down/mix/seat belts fastened, etc.
I was only able to locate one motor mount? Where they are. Seems fine. Dogbone seems fine, again hard to tell.
Suspect:
I have VWR springs, but I am 90% sure this started happening right before I had them installed. I did the rears myself, a well known shop did the front. I noticed the noise maybe 2k before the springs were installed.
Clutch linkage somewhere - I had issues with my transmission (early build). The clutch was replaced at 7k. I've always had a very loud flywheel and a grinding feeling in the pedal. Maybe the shifter linkage is hitting something? I have little experience with VW's so I am still learning and don't know what to check.
My rear harmonic balancer is cracking like everyone else. I have no vibrations yet and I don't see how it could be causing a clunk in the current state. Maybe a motor mount is bad that I cant see? It feels like something is loose in the drivetrain.
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I have weird noise and from just a quick inspection of the car, I don't even know where to start to inspect...
Current setup:
30,000 km
stock clutch
stage 1+ Unitronic @ 5000km (1 track day)
stage 2 w/ hpfp Unitronic @ 27000km (1 recent track day, drove it hard but not prolonged, perhaps 20-25km on a 1km course over 2 hours at max)
VW v2 (~15000km)
drivetrain taken out to install DP @ 25000km.
H&R Rear Sway (setting: stiff)
I feel a weird 'clink' as I turn, and via multiple observations here are the only times I've found it semi-repeatable.
- heavy hard turns (only had a few instances where i could try this out and not 100% repeatable)
- slowly pulling out of a parking spot (turn radius on the steering wheel is more than 50% of a turn) - usually turning left (repeated a couple of times now)
- turning into a driveway (mini bump) @ less than 20km/h
- usually right turn more often then left does this appear
Also, its the noise is coming from the driver side wheel and sometimes right above the drivetrain. this can also be felt if my clutch is semi-engaged (or when i have my foot on the pedal). I have hoisted up my car to do a quick visual inspection (sadly didn't pay attention to the drive train /shaft). but found nothing suspicious (keep in mind it was relatively quick as the shop was closing). one thing i found that was loose and thought was the culprit was a plastic arm with a metallic tube that came off on the driver's side rear control arm .
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When I drive in a parking lot or parking garage and start off into a slow, tight corner, I feel a "surge". If I had a locked diff I would understand. I have a Haldex composition controller. I am not bothered about it...just wondering what it could be. Maybe the clutch slipping?? No evidence of that at full throttle acceleration runs in the higher gears.
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Well, as I saw with a lot of B5/B5.5 Passat's, a lot of drivers seats seems to be loose in the tracks... the loose seems to be up/down from the rear right corner when accelerate/braking maneuver is done.
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This truck has about an inch of slack in the gas pedal. I looked under the hood but didn't find any throttle cable and i have not crawled under the truck. Is the linkage adjustable?
Inch of slack....i push on gas pedal and no reaction for about an inch..........
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I have an 04 ford 150 super crew truck with 4 speed trans and 3.4 engine. The gear shift sometimes won't start in park and has slack in movement . Starts in neutral but has some slack in it. I can't determine where the slack is but sure it relates tt no park start. Where the safety switch is and is this a common problem with this truck?
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I've been noticing this noise recently and I'm wondering if it's normal with the DSG. Almost a clicking that I can hear, mostly when downshifting through 1, 2 and 3. Not sure if I simply can't hear it above this due to road noise though. Threw the GoPro on a suction mount and got a bunch of clips from a short drive around the neighborhood.
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Yesterday I took the R out to grab some food on my lunch break. Didn't drive like a lunatic or anything, pulled into T-Bell parking lot and the car didn't want to downshift. Ok Weird. coasted in, parked, and put it in neutral and let out the clutch and the car stalled like it was still in gear. Go to leave and the car doesn't want to go into reverse. Thats when I realized something had gone seriously wrong.
Basically the car is stuck in 3rd gear. I can get the shifter to engage into reverse but the car tries to creep forward like I have the e-brake on. It doesn't go into any other gear but 3rd or 4th, but even when the shifter is in the 4th position its still in 3rd gear. Even when the shifter is in the neutral position its in 3rd gear. I limped the car home. I've looked into it a little bit and I'm leaning toward the 3/4 shift fork being broken. I know this won't be a cheap repair.
I think if it is the shift fork I will be upgrading the the one piece steel versions.
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When I downshift while braking, especially in the lower gears, it feels like the brake pedal depresses further. And why does this happen?
Also, do people find you get cleaner downshifts if you have the gas pressed down a little, or do you downshift while braking, or just downshift without either?
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I have a strange noise issue on the clutch since day 1. When on regular driving, if I'm decelerating on compression and downshifting from 4 to 3, and 3 to 2nd (like slowing down to stop at a red light), when a release the clutch slowly, at the friction point, I am hearing a scratch noise, like 2 metal parts are touching each other.
When totally depressed, no problem, when totally pressed no problem too. Only at the friction point. It's more noticeable when downshifting from 4 to 2.
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Is it common to have significantly harder downshifts in S-mode versus regular D? In D-mode the car very much feels like an "auto" through and through. However, when I am in Sport the downshifts are much, much rougher...very "jerky". I'm assuming this has something to do with rev-matching but...even when I'm just crusing in S-mode and coming to a slow stop it jerks between the gears.
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I recently replaced my clutch and I've noticed that occasionally, while downshifting from 3rd to 2nd, I hear a clunk sound that comes from beneath the back seats. Especially if my throttle bliping is not aggressive enough. What this could be?
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I purchased a 2000 F250 7.3 4x4 (auto transmission) about 8 months ago. I've noticed recently that when I accelerate there is a slight hesitation like there is slack in the drive line. This does not happen when the truck is moving and I accelerate. There is not audible clunk and the hesitation is not in the motor.
I checked the u-joints and they all feel tight. There is a little slack in transfer case that allows me to turn the drive line slightly back and forth. Is this normal? Should I be planning on a transmission or transfer case rebuild soon?
Update: I was researching the leaf spring isolator pads (mine are warn out or missing) and it sounds like these can cause something similar to what I am experiencing. I am planning on pulling a 28' travel trailer from Colorado to Wisconsin next month and would like to avoid any issues if possible...... Obviously, I know ....
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Just bought a 2015 golf TSI 4-door. First time VW buyer so Im not sure if these are normal or I should bring the car in to get checked.... At a dead stop when I accelerate the car seems to shake a little (until 2nd gear kicks in) then it stops shaking, Also, When Im in traffic and I go from dead stop to accelerate to slow down again, it feels like it is down shifting very hard.
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I picked up an '08 R32 about two months ago and was having issues with the DSG and the dealership determined it was an issue with the mechatronic unit so they swapped it. That made a huge difference, but the downshifting is still very hard when coming to a slow stop (to the point where the car jumps), especially from 2nd to 1st gear. About half the time when I back out of a parking spot, then put the car in drive and start to give it gas, the car doesn't move for a few seconds as the RPM's build, then it slams into gear.
This all happens in drive (D). I haven't even used the other modes to know if it's happening there too. The dealership says they don't see any issues with it and there are no error codes and that there is nothing wrong with the car, but this is by far the worst transmission I've ever had in any car I've ever owned. I find it hard to believe that VW and Audi would put this in their higher end cars, so I can only assume there is something wrong with mine.
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I have a 13 Golf R with about 8k miles on it. It shifted fine until recently but now it is stiff shifting from 1st to 2nd, and very stiff from 2nd to 3rd when anything over say 4500 rpm.
Downshifting from 4 to 3 or 3 to 2 are almost impossible until the is going very slow.
What could be wrong? Clutch/synchros/linkage/mounts? I am going to call the dealer tomorrow...
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AC smells terribad sometimes. So bad I'm embarrassed to have guests in my car. The in cabin air filter has been replaced (supposedly) by the shop several times, but the smell is still there. Is something dead in my AC?No way to turn off side air vents. If I turn on my air, hit the feet selection button, air still comes out of my driver and passenger side air vents, but not the center. Is this normal?Odd clicking/churning sound from inside dash when selecting different air settings. DSG recall done 20k ago, but still random surges of power when downshifting to a stop. Also random jumping when shifting from N to D. Now this one really concerns me, at speed (50-80mph) there is a repeating chirping sound (like: reh-reh-reh-reh-reh). Its speed of chirp is proportionate to my driving speed. It seems to be coming from the wheel area, maybe the passenger it's very hard to tell. It doesn't happen all the time, but it will always happen on long drives at speed, 30+ minutes of 50-80mph. I even made a video, it takes a bit but you can hear the difference in sound when it kicks in.
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Go drive around with windows down and in D accelerate normally through 3rd gear then begin to stop and let the trans start downshifting itself. At the end of the 3/2 and the 2/1 downshifts, do you hear a distinct click. You shouldn't have to try to hard to hear it if you have it. drivers window down and radio off I hear it, every time.
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After 11 VWs, I finally have one that I would love to drive over a cliff. My 2015 Golf TSI Sport is a miserable car for me. I have had it back to the dealer four times for the infamous "shimmy" and shift problem with the automatic transmission. It has the standard automatic. The transmission has no idea which gear to use, it shifts like a bowling ball in a barrel.
Clunks upshifting and downshifting. The other problem is the shimmy/wobble. I have it in spades. The car always feels like it is hitting small strips in the road with a constant vibration in the front. The dealer cannot find the problem even though VW is trying to figure it out. (I have a feeling this isn't the first time). It is the worst driving car I have ever owned. Would much rather drive my 04 GTI with 100,000 miles and worn tires.
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I recently noticed squeaks and some vibration on my drivetrain and to my surprise i must change my axles... now i have looked around and pricing is between 300 and 400$ for each (passenger and driver side) this was at ECStuning and UroTuning. both say its a genuine VW part. front axle 1.8t 6speed gli....
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