Elantra XD (2001-06) :: Occasional Non Start Situation - No Clicking Or Crank


Apr 13, 2016

Dealing with mother in law's 01 Elantra GT. 175k miles, unknown history for the most part except for recent maintenance.

Having some issues now. The car will not start..the battery is fine and that is ruled out. The car will intermittently not crank...it could be days, but luckily I have the car today and the situation is currently happening. All my dash lights and electricals work fine.

It is an automatic car.

Brake lights work when pressing the pedal. I looked at the switch near the pedal and it appears to function properly but see below.

When I turn the key, I can hear noise from the cruise control module underneath the hood, but nothing else. No clicking, no crank. Dash lights don't change except the clock fades out, but turns back on when key is off the start position.

I thought maybe something with shifter. In the Run key position, I can sometimes shift it out of park and into another gear...but sometimes not. It seems that changing how I press the brake pedal affects whether I can get it out of park.

The car was perfectly fine earlier today and that is why this is so strange. Sometimes it would leave her stranded, sometimes it works fine.

When I do shift out of gear, the dashboard reflects the proper gear on the digital display.

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